1                    CITY OF JACKSONVILLE

 

       2                    LAND USE AND ZONING

 

       3                         COMMITTEE

 

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       6             Proceedings held on Tuesday, October 2,

 

       7   2007, commencing at 5:00 p.m., City Hall, Council

 

       8   Chambers, 1st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before

 

       9   Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State

 

      10   of Florida at Large.

 

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      12   PRESENT:

 

      13        MICHAEL CORRIGAN, Chair.

                CLAY YARBOROUGH, Vice Chair.

      14        MIA JONES, Committee Member.

                ART SHAD, Committee Member.

      15        JACK WEBB, Committee Member.

 

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           ALSO PRESENT:

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                BILL BISHOP, City Council Member.

      18        JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.

                SEAN KELLY, Planning and Development Dept.

      19        KEN AVERY, Planning and Development Dept.

                SHANNON ELLER, Office of General Counsel.

      20        JESSICA STEPHENS, Legislative Assistant.

                MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.

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           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1                   P R O C E E D I N G S

 

       2   October 2, 2007                         5:00 p.m.

 

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       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Ladies and gentlemen,

 

       5        I have five o'clock on my watch, so we will call

 

       6        to order the Tuesday, October 2nd meeting of the

 

       7        Land Use and Zoning Committee.

 

       8             Let the record reflect that Land Use and

 

       9        Committee members present are Councilman

 

      10        Yarborough, he's vice chairman; I'm chairman,

 

      11        Councilmember Michael Corrigan; Councilmember

 

      12        Art Shad and Councilmember Jack Webb are all

 

      13        here.

 

      14             Also, visiting with us at this point is

 

      15        Councilman Bill Bishop.

 

      16             Councilman Bishop, it's always good to see

 

      17        you.

 

      18             We have a good agenda tonight and we'll

 

      19        work towards going through it.

 

      20             Mr. Bishop, are you here on a particular

 

      21        bill?

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.  I am

 

      23        here about two particular bills.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We'll go ahead and

 

      25        take those up if you would like.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  I appreciate that.

 

       2             The first one is 2007-928, a rezoning.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Page 12, 2007-928, and that

 

       4        is a public hearing.  We will open that public

 

       5        hearing.  I show no speakers for -928.

 

       6             (Mr. Hainline approaches the podium.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Hainline.

 

       8             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  There are other speakers.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We'll start with

 

      10        Mr. Hainline and then we'll go from there.

 

      11             MR. HAINLINE:  T.R. Hainline, 1301

 

      12        Riverplace Boulevard, and we're the agent for

 

      13        the applicants in 2007-928, which is a PUD

 

      14        rezoning out at Monument and St. Johns Bluff.

 

      15             I'm really not here to make a presentation

 

      16        tonight.  As you can see on your agenda, this

 

      17        matter is being deferred at the request of

 

      18        Councilman Bishop.

 

      19             There is a community meeting which is going

 

      20        to be held on October 11th to present to the

 

      21        community where we are on this rezoning.  It is

 

      22        the second community meeting.  There was another

 

      23        one back in March, actually.  I think it was --

 

      24        it might have been March or April, and we've

 

      25        worked on it a lot since then.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1             And I guess what I'd like to do is just let

 

       2        you know that we have -- we did hear the

 

       3        community's concerns at that time.  We have been

 

       4        working with the Planning Department staff and

 

       5        with Councilman Bishop to address those

 

       6        community concerns and our current plan, which

 

       7        we'll present to the community on October the

 

       8        11th, preserves more than half the site, would

 

       9        place it in a conservation easement.  And the

 

      10        bill, as Councilman Bishop has amended it, would

 

      11        not -- the rezoning would not become effective

 

      12        until that portion of the property is placed in

 

      13        a conservation easement.

 

      14             Furthermore, we have made changes and

 

      15        revisions to the plan to keep it consistent with

 

      16        the concerns and ideas that were expressed at

 

      17        that previous community meeting.

 

      18             Again, I'll -- I think this is actually

 

      19        scheduled to be deferred not one but two cycles

 

      20        in order to have no votes prior to the

 

      21        October 11 community meeting.  And the Planning

 

      22        Department also has withheld its recommendation

 

      23        at this point.  So I'll be making a full

 

      24        presentation at that meeting, I guess, in a

 

      25        month's time.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1             And with that, I'll just reserve any time

 

       2        to respond to any comments which may be made

 

       3        that I feel would need to be responded to.  So

 

       4        I'll reserve some rebuttal for that.

 

       5             Thank you.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Hainline.

 

       7             And for the record, he is correct that we

 

       8        will not be taking action on this bill tonight.

 

       9        We will finish -- we'll have this public hearing

 

      10        and then continue it at the end.

 

      11             We do have several other speakers.  The

 

      12        next is Lad Hawkins.

 

      13             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening.

 

      15             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening.

 

      16             Lad Hawkins.  I live at 1924 Holly Oaks

 

      17        Lake Road West.

 

      18             I'm the president of the Greater Arlington

 

      19        Civic Council.  This matter has come up a number

 

      20        of times over the years, and the community feels

 

      21        that this piece of property was established and

 

      22        turned over to the Port Authority initially as a

 

      23        buffer around Craig Field and that, in good

 

      24        faith, this thing should remain trees and should

 

      25        not be developed in commercial structures.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1             From a safety standpoint, it's a lot safer

 

       2        to have trees right at the end of the runway

 

       3        than it is to have a CVS pharmacy.

 

       4             I'm also on the CPAC's Land Use and Zoning

 

       5        Committee, and they have also opposed this

 

       6        proposed PUD.

 

       7             I urge you to vote against it.

 

       8             Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      10             Our next speaker is Dianne Wiles, followed

 

      11        by Dale Parsons.

 

      12             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening.

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening.

 

      15             My name is Dianne, and my husband and I

 

      16        live at 10663 Hemming Road for the past eight

 

      17        years.  Our home is right next to this parcel of

 

      18        land.

 

      19             I bought my home on the premise that it

 

      20        states in the comp plan that Craig would not

 

      21        extend the runway.  Also, the 1999 public record

 

      22        states that -- and I quote -- JPA's buffer zone

 

      23        for aircraft flyover at Craig Airport.

 

      24             JAA is really giving our computer --

 

      25        community a one-two punch with all of this.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1             Our community has been opposed to any

 

       2        development on this land since at least 2002.

 

       3        We have been patient and good neighbors when it

 

       4        comes to the increasing air traffic that

 

       5        continue to fly below the 500 foot minimum.  It

 

       6        is the only buffer left at the end of the runway

 

       7        and our neighborhood.  The City just took the

 

       8        rest of the trees down on the southeast corner

 

       9        of Monument and St. Johns Bluff for a retention

 

      10        pond.

 

      11             I still have questions on how this property

 

      12        received the zero zoning it currently has.

 

      13        After speaking with the Planning and Development

 

      14        Department, they told me it used to have ACRI

 

      15        zoning, which no longer exists.  Planning and

 

      16        Development informed me that they gave this

 

      17        parcel of land CRO zoning, feeling it was an

 

      18        appropriate zoning.

 

      19             If this land was already developed or not

 

      20        across the street from an airport, it would have

 

      21        been appropriate.  It should have received the

 

      22        same zoning as the airport, PBF-3.  We still do

 

      23        not know exactly when this happened.

 

      24             On September 26th, the City Council -- at

 

      25        the City Council public hearing, the lawyer

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1        representing the applicant/developer stated that

 

       2        this development is appropriate neighborhood

 

       3        commercial.  I am not an expert, but learning a

 

       4        little bit about zoning.  How can a high traffic

 

       5        drug store be compatible with the neighborhood

 

       6        if it's only 120 feet away from my front door?

 

       7             They are planning to develop -- planning to

 

       8        put the development literally in the front and

 

       9        backyards of our homes with very little -- homes

 

      10        with very little or in some cases no tree

 

      11        buffer.

 

      12             The proposed land use is not compatible

 

      13        with the surrounding area.  It is in a

 

      14        safety/noise zone, according to the airport.  I

 

      15        also do not believe that this development is in

 

      16        compliance with many of FAA's guidelines.

 

      17             I understand JAA's need to create revenue.

 

      18        Is leasing the portion of trees protecting us

 

      19        from the airport noise and pollution the right

 

      20        way for JAA to create revenue?

 

      21             With all the development surrounding the

 

      22        airport, Craig is outgrowing its location.

 

      23        Let's keep the airport as it is, keep the little

 

      24        bit of trees surrounding the airport in place.

 

      25             In closing, I would like to bring to the

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1        attention of the committee that if this

 

       2        development goes forward, it could devastate the

 

       3        value of our homes.  The way I see it, JAA is

 

       4        reaching into our pockets, taking money from the

 

       5        equity in our homes.

 

       6             Since safety is the number one issue right

 

       7        now at hand at JAA and Craig Airport, I am

 

       8        recommending that this application for zoning be

 

       9        denied due to unclear deed and zoning, the

 

      10        safety zone it is in, the close proximity of

 

      11        residential homes to the planned development,

 

      12        and the close proximity to the homes to the

 

      13        planned development.

 

      14             Please take the time to review all the

 

      15        letters from the community and the information

 

      16        that's been presented to you.

 

      17             Thank you so much for your time.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      19             Our next speaker is Dale Parsons, followed

 

      20        by Edwin Barnard.

 

      21             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening.

 

      23             Dale Parsons, 11179 Oak Ridge Drive South.

 

      24             We are opposed to this rezoning because not

 

      25        too long ago, just since I've lived in that

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1        area, there was an accident, and the plane went

 

       2        down in those woods.  And so it's best to keep

 

       3        those as woods, not buildings.  If there had

 

       4        been buildings there, I have no idea what would

 

       5        have happened with that plane and the residents

 

       6        in that area or the buildings or businesses.  So

 

       7        we are opposed to any changes to that.

 

       8             Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      10             Edwin Barnard, followed by Dave Evans.

 

      11             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening.

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Thank you.

 

      14             In the application for the hearing, it said

 

      15        you had to be a quasi expert in the field that

 

      16        you'd be talking about.  And having lived there

 

      17        in Holly Oaks for 35 years, I feel I'm an expert

 

      18        about the area.  And having been in the

 

      19        architectural, engineering, and planning

 

      20        business for almost 50 years, I think I qualify

 

      21        for an expert in that.

 

      22             I sent every one of you a dissertation on

 

      23        ten reasons why this should not be built, and

 

      24        it's backed up with information direct from the

 

      25        Internet and from the City of Jacksonville

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1        Web sites.  I also sent to you, on this

 

       2        committee, a dissertation on the inappropriate

 

       3        pieces missing from -- or appropriate pieces

 

       4        that should be there for the application that,

 

       5        to me, would make it null and void.

 

       6             One of the things that CVS -- which is

 

       7        supposedly the pharmacy going in there -- they

 

       8        want to have consensus of the neighborhoods in

 

       9        which they go into.  They don't want to disturb

 

      10        the culture.

 

      11             The mayor has stated that he doesn't want

 

      12        any more spot, strip zones in a lot of his

 

      13        information.  And the revised Craig comp plan,

 

      14        which may go into effect or may not, is

 

      15        committing the city of Jacksonville taxpayers in

 

      16        one way or another to $139,747,867 to the year

 

      17        2012 for the continued commitment to Craig Field

 

      18        to support two businesses and a flight school.

 

      19             And also in that change to the comp plan

 

      20        it says you will be buying out residences that

 

      21        are in the noise zone that are affected by it,

 

      22        and I figured generally you're talking about

 

      23        $50 million to $100 million, both ends of the

 

      24        runway.

 

      25             The comp plan, zoning plan, the master plan

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, Fl 32203


 

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       1        for Craig Airport all relate to the 150-.  The

 

       2        comp plan, which just came out for -- or the

 

       3        master plan for Craig Field shows this lot not

 

       4        developable, and that was just published in

 

       5        August.

 

       6             Also, zoning signs that are supposed to go

 

       7        up five days after the application is filed did

 

       8        not go up for a month.

 

       9             The letters that were sent out came out

 

      10        after you had already heard this thing twice in

 

      11        the LUZ.  We knew nothing about it.  And we hope

 

      12        you'll take that in consideration.

 

      13             Now, as far as the community and the

 

      14        community meeting, no one in the community,

 

      15        except maybe a few diehards that say you can't

 

      16        fight City Hall, wants a development on that

 

      17        lot.  And also in communication with CVS, I'm

 

      18        starting to get the feeling they want to go with

 

      19        the wishes of the community.

 

      20             Thank you.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      22             Our last speaker that I have a card for is

 

      23        Dave Evans.